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    • Collision: Is Christianity Good for the World?

    14 Responses to “Collision: Is Christianity Good for the World?”

    1. Rossman says:

      Mind blowing! I tend to agree more with the atheist, but they both make very good points. I would’ve loved to see the audience questions.

    2. DarkNile says:

      Hitchens rules. Shame about his recent throat cancer. Hope he gets well soon.

    3. Cosmic Cop says:

      This was the most long winded so called debate I’ve heard in a long time. All of this could have been put into 15 min’s. Yes the Book is for sale seems to be the only clear point. As an atheist I can see God in its definition ( creator ) is an Impossibility under its own logic, for if all things need a creator, I simply say and what created the creator.
      Over and above all the discoveries Science has made. Points against all claims these Man made books each claiming to be the one and only True word of God make. As an example evolution is evidence we were not created. The age of the earth and on and on.

      • Presupp says:

        1) Yes, everything created has a creator, but you can not infinitely regress beyond God since logically there must be a starting point and the starting point is God. You have 2 options: 1) either we have an eternal God or 2) we have eternal matter. Given the extreme precision in the universe, the possibility of eternal matter forming even a pencil by blind, random forces is absurd to the highest degree. Again, not even a pencil can form given trillions of years of evolution.

        Also, without God intelligibility and logic is impossible. The mere fact that you are reading this proves Gods existence.

        www proofthatgodexists com

    4. Tiago C. says:

      Very balanced debate actually.
      It was sort of amusing to see that they both had to dodge some of eachothers points at some point because they couldn’t rebutt them.

    5. J says:

      I am not one to start a debate on a comment portal, however, @ Tiago C., How at all did Hitchens stumble in anyway? When did he dodge any point, quite the opposite in fact, you saw the same video I did? Please inform us all of this moment.

      Bravo to hitchens and I hope someday that Mr. Wilson comes to grip with this unintentional life we have.

      P.S., wish we would have got the audience questions with the video.

      • Tiago C. says:

        Hitchens stumbled for example on the (very well put point, I might add) of why should have we have abolished slavery? Why should we personally care, If not only for moral reasons?
        At that point Hitchens just steers off of the question and points out that the bible has a mandates for killing people.
        Because the fact is that the Universe couldn’t care less if half the world is slave to the other. Abolishing slavery was a moral choice we had to make.

        Now I will ask YOU the question you asked me? Did you actually see the same film as me, or only “half” of it?

        • Leo says:

          To this question i would say that through evolutionary processes it has benefitted man to not be on one’s own. Meaning that having friendships and familial connections would benefit one and this would be reinforced through chemical processes in our brains which would increase feelings of saftey and deep connection and perhaps best of all…. Empathy.
          Once these processes are aquired by the human species, the answer is to me, clear as day. Perhaps there is no MORAL reason, perhaps from our need to survive it is the very processes that give humanity these feelings of attatchment and empathy that lead us to say what feels correct, what feelings natual selection has deemed beneficial such as empathy, could then lead a person to imagine the plight of another (such as imagining one’s self a slave) and compel one to act to rectify the situation to where it did not conflict with one’s natually selected emotions.

          To sum up, perhaps what we perceive as morality as decreed by a higher power or not is simply the chemical processes and the emotions they trigger as a result of thousands of generations of selection. I am not saying that because what we perceive as morality may have a simple explanation that it somehow is less powerful to humanity because whatever the underlying explanation, WE STILL FEEL WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG just the same.

          So to answer the question, why should we care? Well, i can’t say for sure on this one about why we should care however, the fact is that WE DO CARE because apparently it benefits us to care, otherwise selection would have taken away that fact.

          But you are right, in the film i did see what you said and for whatever reason, he did seem to shy away from that question just as when asked why are Christianity’s miracles to be believed when none of the others are… he said to the effect of “because this happened” and “there were eyewitnesses”….as if there were no eyewitnesses to those things in which he was denying… but very balanced doc. i will say!!! Thanks for it!!!

          • Tiago C. says:

            I believe we care because at some point someone said that it was wrong to enslave others. And I don’t necessarily mean some higher power commanded it, in my opinion it was a man made principle (surely with implication that it’s source was a higher power though).
            But I don’t believe these choices to be a “natural thing” simply because we can’t see it happening anywhere else in life. Only the human species makes these kinds of moral choices. Leading me to believe that yes the Universe couldn’t care less.

            If we all were to follow our animal insticts (because after all we are no less animal than any other other animal on Earth) we would take any chance we had to improve our own condition in life, no matter what that was. Enslaving, killing, stealing, etc.

            What actually makes us different form other animals are these same moral choices we decide to make for some reason.
            And I do believe them to be the correct decisions. And that’s a very important aspect of religion in society in my opinion.

            I don’t believe in any creed, but I believe that, intrinsicaly, religion can have some positive contributes to society

            • Leo says:

              Actually one only has to look at history to see mankind following his/her animal instincts as you said and taking that chance to improve one’s position by enslaving/killing/etc.

              However, seeing the consequences and given a rise in technology which makes life easier for many in the world, makes it less likely that killing someone would be the only option in order to improve our own standing.

              Perhaps human innovation combined with centuries of seeing the consequences of our basest instincts played out not as our initial instincts told us it would but in fact we may have been better off with a less violent action.(an example would be the urge to kill to improve one’s place, killing that person and having a short term gain in status but in the long term realizing that perhaps compromise would have served us better)

              The fact is that we know much of human behavior to be a result of the choices and trials of our ancestors.
              So perhaps to a point you are right, maybe we see part of it as following what someone said one day to be right and wrong but what i believe to be the bigger picture is WHY DID THAT PERSON COME TO SAY THAT?

              I believe that the explanation i have laid out to be a logical deduction based on clear concise circumstances.

              BTW, thank you for the reply, you indeed have brought up a good point but as i said i think what pushed “a man” to create rules for human understanding of right and wrong is more important that the fact that he said it…. thanks again.

              • frank says:

                animals don’t naturally kill their own species to survive…

                • Tiago C. says:

                  Im sorry, but your statement is wrong. Some animals actually kill their own species to survive.
                  Some animals kill their own species for territory, mating, prey…
                  And for example, adult lions are even known to kill baby male lions to prevent future competion…same thing happens with bears and other big cats…the list probably goes on.

        • william says:

          It was because of the bible that the modern (last 500 years) slavery, based on race was instituted and perpetuated for centuries with its long lasting consequences. So, I guess you mean that the same book that made it possible (justifiable) is the one used to abolish it? Are you kidding me?

          • Tiago C. says:

            Im no religious person, and not nearly knowledgeable enough about all of the bible’s contents, but where in the bible does it say slavery is ok?
            On the other hand, I know that they mention “a little exodus” (not a big deal story) about escaping it.

            If you mean that after, people used a distorted interpretation of the bible to support slavery (and their own personal interests), that’s a whole different story.

            And in any case my previous comment wasnt about the Bible and not even about Christianity. I was refering to religion period.

            @Leo
            Np, I always like a healthy debate of ideas.

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