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Real good post, I how ever don't, like zeitgeist addendum.

I can't believe people would complain that you posted this (very popular) documentary. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Their are plenty more on the site. You really can't please everyone.

If I would have been half the age I now have, I would of watched it and, who knows, I might have joined them in their beliefs… for some time.

Overtime though, I found that spreading paranoïa, lies or/and fabulations is not serving society in any way ; all it does is give them more motivation to make up more fabulations and do more money while taking us away from whatever else we might be doing.

The fact is, if you post it, you're supporting it : even if you don't think you are, they do!

Controversy for the sake of contreversy is, to me, one lousy way to lose time.

Mind you, these are "my current" opinions…

This documentary is probably the most important one to watch. I am glad to see it on this site.

Actually, so many thing can't be "proven". Perhaps R. Dawkins is telling the truth when he says there's a Teapot orbiting earth that speaks to him. There is no way it can be "unproven". Of course, it's a joke, but it's also an example.

What I don't like much about "conspiracy" theories and such, is, as I stated, I just don't like em anymore. Take away 20 some years or more, and I would probably fight to have em posted. I've watched many, learned too little, and mostly, I got bored of the usual thick coat of paranoïa. I hat fear spreaders because fear makes logic and reason disappear in less than an instant.

This being said, I certainly agree : perhaps I've (or it was?) labelled too fast. That "could" be proven… only if I watch it.

Thank's ya all for replying

i guess ignorance is bliss eh jack….
i prefer dissent to apathy

i have paid for your debt

I don't care much for the first part, but Addendum is great.

Thank you for uploading it. =)

Its all good Jack!
You are helping to generate discussion and interest. Getting others to contribute. That's where the treasure is. One can argue about the content of the documentary, but we can all agree that the exchange it produces is fruitful, regardless.
All the best!

ok i liked addendum. that was pretty much the tits. Hooray!

Ow! this post is long, but, it's gotta be said. Mind you, I watched a little more than half of Addendum. When they got to their technocratic lala-land, I was sickened enough.

Well yes… what they say in Addendum is much more ummm… solid. The way they demonstrate how money is created through debt is quite the real thing (according to
what I learned or remember from my ecomics classes). Still, it's no more than a peep show on economics : it shows only a "very dirty side", as if we need to be more disgusted. Sigh… Of course we need to know about the yucky/stinky sides, as well as all the other sides though, or, our judgement will be flawed from the beginning.

When a crountry, a state, or whatever social organisation, even a family, is established, it needs roads, communications, education, water distribution, parliament, justice system and at least a ton of other things. Who would live in a unorganised/unprotected city or state and pay taxes (and with what money??? duh) for 25 years or so till you get all of that very much essential "infrastructure"?
Before, many cities and empires grew by destroying others infrastructures and returning back home with the stolen goods, gold, and perhaps, a piece of knowledge.
In those imperialistic countries, stopping the war waging activity would actually "hurt their economy" (sounds familiar eh!) only because war waging is too big a part of that nations economic activity.

The most fascinating thing about economy is how it's trust dependant. Lower the level of trust (easily done using fear, fraude, guilt, deception…) and the economy plummets, perhaps resulting in something like the 1930's depression. So, economics is a topic that needs to be handled with great care, or else, it could have the effects of a weapon of mass destruction since all the infrastructure would soon be as useless as if destroyed, and society could then collapse into chaos.

So, Zeitgeist and it's Addendum could be perceived as a weapon made by Econo-terrorists, perhaps they too are plotting something? Plenty would like to see the American and/or Occidental (I'm trying to explain it, not to defend it) economy plummet for whatever believed to be logical reason.

The major problem with the current monetary system and it's "symptomatic corruption" is, again in my view, the lack of regulation and the "current" culture. Why is it some countries have much less corruption? Culture : cultural ethics and laws! We need to promote "rightfullism" and equity.

Planet Earth has the resources (food making capacity, energy, infrastructure materials and such) to maintain about 600 million of us occidentals in our current lifestyle, or,
it can maintain about 30 billion inhabitants living with the lifestyle found in Bangladesh ; and that's disreagarding all of what is needed for what's left of Nature!!!
I think one of the roots to this huge problem is how we value ourselvs : it's soooo much easier to value ourselvs with having rather than being

Now, if you read this lonnnng post, you understand why I don't like the Conspiracy type of point of vue. It's almost always very narrow minded and biased by necessity, so, it has to be held together by some amount of fear otherwise known as "lack of knowledge" or abuse of it.

Nevertheless, Addendum has some very good points, like when they compare the money spent on fighting terrorism versus the actual "real danger" associated with it,
compared to the "real risks" of obesity and the comperativly minute amount spent to protect us from it. That information is found elsewhere though, no need for Zeitgest to learn about it. But, if this is where you first heard it, that's fine by me.

On a last totally unrelated note, did you know about 100 Americans a year die from chocking after accidentally swallowing a Hi-Liter pencil cap? And most often, the
swallowed cap is "pink". There just might be a "Pink Cap Conspiracy" eh!

Merci beaucoup :-)

P.S. I dunno much about Egyptian mythology, but I watched a documentary wich compares, through discussions, beliefs of Hinduism to those of Christianity. There are quite a few similarities between those two.

P.P.S Try to stop using your credit cards and pay cash even if you need to set dough aside bit by bit. While saving up, go read a borrowed book (hopefully one written after 1905) and return it without any intere$t, but with a bright enlightened smile on your face.

After watching both documentaries i joined the Movement. That´s how good they are in my opinion. Many thanks for sharing Zeitgeist and many other excellent docs on the site. cheers

I came in watching this movie with an open mind
I suspect and have confirmed on several brief objective fact checks that this film is misrepresenting some facts
there is enough wrong with the current paradigm without embellishment
people who blindly follow this movie without checking the facts are no more open-minded than the apes that perpetuate these unnecessary problems with society

saw it 5 months ago and downloaded it from e-mule.have watched many other docs on this site. got glad to see this one here and decided to say thankx. True, didnt saw the doc on this site.
ps. i work as an artist and really dont give a S*** about economics
stay happy ;)

Wow! Unfortunately – one can't deny the underlying truth of this documentary. The quotes cited can't be denied. The irony of situations, can't be denied. It is happening. Fear – fear of this happening in front of our face causes us to dismiss to put up a wall to the truth. Yet – the greatest thing is when we KNOW the truth and then we can say enough and gather together to live from a much better place. Wake-up over used but still necessary.

You're making some sense, unlike the rest of these bozos.

Joseph's message is rubbish. He's nothing but a dirty liar and cheap salesman.

He can go fuck himself as can you.

Your idiotic ideas about life are erroneous.

Oh! this is going to be goood!

First things first. I am betting that most of the illogical retorts are from silver-spooned crybabies,freon huffing compulsive masturbaters who cried when were forced to go to sunday school and cried even more when they found out Santa wasn't real. And for something totally non-related, doesn't Santa weirdly enough spell Satan, who carries a bottomless bag of toys, flew to every child in the world in 12 hours or less, and wears red all the time..now, like peter said in the film on Jesus Christ. There are not enough differences and too many similarities between Jesus Christ and the ummphteen other deities known to man that lived a century or more before Jesus Christ. All of this is verified through books. I must also psychologically relate most of these insubstantial remarks to Peters movie to pubescent teens or retarded men who are breaking from their 360 Gears of War tournament to add such infantile remarks. I am betting that whoever really believes Peters view is utterly wrong probably has a dad who has a NRA sticker on the back of his pickup, spits chaw frequently out of a duct taped window and drinks Natty Ice and votes for Geoerge Bush..I'm also guessing you don't believe that the BUSH family didn't directly benefit from any transactions involving Petroleum within and after there reign. I mean what do you really have to refute other than your own belief system to refute anything he has to say? Furthermore, have you really gone through your life without changing your belief system at all? Do you really believe a dude with horns, engulfed in flames is going to enslave you for eternity? get real. Your so-called god doesn't have a shred of proof to his life as a savior to mankind anymore then Mary kept her pants up in a town of whores.As a matter of fact, where is he now? He was a one hit wonder like Milli Vanilli. Like I'm supposed to believe that a Virgin, not a Hermaphrodite actually gave birth to a man who would later die to wash the blood from evryone elses hands. Sounds like a Santa Clause story to me.
So what I would really like to know is, what economics class are you taking? How has this suppo-zed greatest nation among nations gone through 3 if not more recessions in the span of 110 yrs if the ECONOMICS of peter is not right? whatya say? I can't hear you? That's what I thought. Stop huffing freon and dive into some books. If you are a son or daughter who believes all the dumb-ass stories that your drunk dad talks about with his drunk compadres and truly believe he makes alot of sense, you are just another one of the handful of American Idiots that will work so hard and never see anything to come from it, So back of the bitch, only the manipulative, wealthy, forked tongue backstabbing, twats you call your leaders are allowed in the front. I'm sure to get a more positive response I should of sugar coated it, but thats not my style. My advice before infantile, sharp-mouth-shooters should do is go out and and experience the world, listen to the people because their saying the same thing everywhere, bounce from job to job, watch ass-kissers all coalesce at the rings of their bosses Anus, watch good people lose their job, watch the same group of jocks and loners talk about each other, watch girls screw their bosses for money or position, watch people unqualified to rate your job capacity climb up the corporate ladder etc. The point is, is to get out there and experience life before deciding you have some astute opinion about this world when life hasn't had the chance to shape your mind about what's really is happening. I have more from where all that came from..P-out for now

for the record, I meant to say whoever does not really believe Peter's view…I am advocating for Zeitgeist. I agree fully with this view…Sean

No need for personal attacks "wow", I disagree with him too, but attacking him doesn't accomplish anything does it?

Hey, Sean – learn how to proper format paragraphs.

I agree. Childish behavior has no place here. This is not YouTube. The intelligent content here dictates intelligent comments. You can watch these videos and join the conversation at YouTube or Google and yell scream at the moon all you want.

Well then you (like) me, should probably proof read your comment before hitting the enter key….Jaggoff….cause I'm sure you meant to spell properly, not proper..

And that goes for anyone else…Why don't you check the box that says, "Notify me by E-mail when replied to my comment". That way we can have a face to face. Because none of you posted a comment on my view in particular, just the way it was spoken. Which leads me to believe your more emotional than logical and that you need help. It's OK to be retarded kids, little Korky was and he was still excepted, Radio and Rudy were exceptional human beings. (yes, ILMAO) Don't give up hope yet, God is waiting for you in the clouds. And his powers of levitation will save you when you can't handle anymore and decide to hurl your feeble little mind and body off some Atlantic North East or Pacific North West cliff…he will, he promised!!:)

Sean I'll try my best. I hear where you are coming from and I think you would really like economics (I am assuming you haven't studied it in depth – THIS IS NOT TO MAKE FUN OF YOU! I can't stress that enough). Your questions are valid and you would be able to understand economics and business (not the same) cycles and why they happen and why industrized countries like the US not only use free-market policies but sometimes others (and there are a few).

Central Banks are a key factor to a lot of your questions. But if you believe this film in how and why Central Banks manipulate the money supply then you are no better then the blind believers (of Santa) you make fun of. The monetary system of industrialized nations are complex and no one really has the correct answers, hence debates. You are right there is unjust in the system, lots of it. But this film doesn't approach it in the right way by making up mechanisms and telling it's viewers false statements about how economies (and Central Banks) systems function.

I don't understand your understanding of actual paper money? Please explain more. In the film I know it was mentioned that wealth does not really exist because a very small fraction on the money in circulation in the world is actual printed but that's only because there aren't enough trees in the world to even meet the wealth of 5% of the US. Paper money is only worth anything if we all accept its value, and economics is the study of how to allocate limited resources. So there will always be issues yeah.

I cold heartly do not agree with the films interpetation of the IMF and World Bank, whoever wrote this film has no idea why they even exist as far as I'm concerned.

In closing I believe this film is a nice example of a new kind of Bible. Blindly believing in it is just as puzzling to me.

True, There is a lot more for me to learn about the "ways" of an open or "free market", but the consequences are the same none-the-less. When character of a human being is transformed into an egotistical pirahna that forsakes the lives of others in order to "feel" that he/or she has the right to brag or boast, gloat to friends or that somehow he/or shes existence is has been touched by the hand of God and that they feel "blessed" for having such a tremendous amount of personal liberty or is just not humanitarian by nature and greed quells their thirst for exceptance is unacceptable, especially people unfit to be entrusted with inheritance. In the End it is all numbers on a line. One side of the line is extremely wide and the other side tapers until the size becomes infinitesimal. It's either us (I'm not going to bash any nation in particular) that eat 3x a day or an 8lb. 2 yr. that hasn't eaten once in 3 days. Their are more instances that could be discuss by far, but the point is to show the greed propagated by emotional dependence of MONEY…God, (for those that think he's there) the quest for equality(except those who feel they don't need it)fundamental and the innate comraderie or cohesion, fundamental common decency have all take the back seat to the Idea of Money. Due to the underlying domains of natured genetics, money cannot account for the total loss of ethical and moral value, it is just the multiplier. It seems in all actuality that money was actually the tool of the physically weak to conquer the brute ,albeit, pyscologically weak. Business is war, and if you want to survive then you must have the "get him" before "he gets" me attitude. The addage "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" will forever be the an innate quality of the delusional upper class, if I could call them that. Their behaviors, just now in this day and age are finally being brought front and center to be held accountable. I did understand prior to the upbringing though, of the percentage of actual "paper money" used versus the value of our binary and numerical system, but it is still an electronic Washington, Abraham Benjamin, and Jackson. Who knows what they'll be called (hopefully we will have evolvedmore to have any) on the starship enterprise..(only fitting). We know what a homicidal maniac is capable of, so we don't let him out on the street, (sometimes). We don't need to know what makes him do it, because he has already committed his nature. We know that his temperament isn't conducive to a functional return to society. So why is money still here? Because in a True socialistic where denizens do there part to keep the world moving in return to share the
incessant imagination of the human being. Money is the perpetrator of the human social divide. This world is more Black and White than Gray. Gotta work now…

Damn, I hate typos. Here's the first and then the second etc….never (ending) river of debt. unhappy to be content, we would not have a 3rd of what we have now if that were (un)true. I guess that's all…Sean

It is sad that people are trapped in the box. Trapped in the frame of mind that society must have these ingredients: government, laws, money and police.

It is sad that people believe crime, violence, poverty and hunger will always exist in some form and cannot be eliminated. This is true, but only in our current society structure, which no one will think outside of.

It is sad that people cannot grasp what the Venus Project wants to achieve. They do not tell you how the future will be, but rather how it can be. It is not techocratic nor is it communistic. The Projects vision encompass all of humanity and what can be done to solve our problems, and the fact is our current society prohibits the best and most efficient solutions to those problems.

When the question of cost is involved you must almost always sacrifice one or more of these things: quality, durability and efficiency.

We have the resources to feed every starving human being on earth, we have the resources to build homes for every homeless person on earth, yet we do not. Why do you think that is?

Our society structure is not the ultimate, end-all be-all way. You are brainwashed from birth to believe this.

We as a species will never be truly free if we don't break the the chains that is societys narrow, restrictive and unchanging views of how things should be. Society itself hinders our progress so unimaginably compared to how it could be.

We could have fusion power, the ultimate power source if perfected. Yet cost hinders this development and greedy oil companies of course do not want this, it would put them all out of buisness. For perfected fusion power would mean FREE, virtually unlimited power for all. I ask, how can it be this is not be (one of) humanitys top priority? This is beyond me.

The fact is our society as a whole today is utterly unsustainable. It will at some point face complete collapse, of this I am certain. Unless we change, and that radically. We must embrace change not fear it.

Instead of debating from our opinion and experiences, we must see it from a logical and scientific point of view. Today this is impossible to do when politics and profit are involved, or indeed when the whole of society is as it is.

I fear the worst for the future of our species if we do not see the true flaws in our society.

This is my own personal opinion. Please note I really don't want to fight with anyone.

a) You might need to look at Wikipedia to see a more complete definition of Economics : it's a whole lot more than "resource management".

b) About Earth having enough resources to feed all. There are enough resources on earth to feed and perhaps shelter 30 billion people living like they do in Bengladesh, or, 600 million Occidentals (Europeans and Americans alike). Do the math for 7 billion humans and watch your Big Macs vanish.

c) This is without taking in account the deterioration of OUR environment. Cods have all but disappeared east of Canada. Despite cod fishing interdiction for years, the cod population isn't showing any sign of recovery. All over the world, less and less islanders and coastal inhabitants find enough fish to sustain them.

d) I have to mention the disaster caused by clear cutting the trees all over north and south America. Trees happen to, very shortly put, clean the air and deliver oxygen.

e) The world bee population is in such a decline, that farmers wonder how the hell pollination will occur in the near future. No pollination = no fruits! Tomatoes, beans and cucumbers are fruits by the way, they all need pollination since they grow from flowers.

f) Because of the melting of ice caps, like Greenland and the South Pole, the seas are rising and many islands and coastal areas will be flooded in… well, much sooner than they've predicted only 5 years ago, not to mention what is likely to happen to "The Great Atlantic conveyor".

I won't go on, but I could! Of course, I know what the cause of is : greed and lack of Education + lack of Education + lack of… You get the point eh : redistributing wealth is a cultural thing.

I'd rather see bright people like you's working on rational solutions (like educating eh) instead of day dreaming of the day "Paradise will hit Earth". Perhaps, the "Venus Project" should consider building and moving to some sort of "Space Colony" asap because I have sincere doubts there will be any viable Earth by that time.
You'll probably need money to do that! That's a conclusion, no pun intended.

Thank you's

Sikkan mon ami
Back in time, I was faced with "something" that had me rethinking if Reality even existed… Before that "incident" (which
really seemed predestined by all means), I had only a curiosity for Cosmology/Physics. Afterwards, it became an insatiable
thirst for it's "Rational view on Reality" – which I fully agree to even if I lack some understanding of it. But the real question
is : why?

You say : "If you believe that is somekind of utopian view then you are indeed trapped in the box."
This reply is so much like "If you don't believe you're doomed" (or dumb) : it smells a lot like propaganda : a well known
self-curiosity deterrent. I must admit though, my "box" is quite comfy ;-) Mmmmm pain killers and a puter ; and so the
"boxy wheel" turns.

It's very easy for anyone to see our current society as deeply ill –if not absolutely mad. Even though I tend to fully agree to
that, it's not the first time I see it used by groups with whatever intentions they might have.

Why are "groups of beliefs" so successful? Because they (their leaders or advisers) know how deeply rooted fear is in
us, so that's why they all work on that "soft spot". Marketers know
that very well. Even our highly esteemed self-valuing process is fear driven. We are born with unrest because of that inherent fear. We are ha hum… "designed like that", but by Nature's laws of Evolution.

In my perhaps simplistic view, no society, with whatever teaching they spread, is able to address that issue. Our current
society works because money can ease that feeling to some extent, not to mention it greatly facilitates commerce. One problem with our society is the lack of regulation and… Education. Parents abdicate educating their kids because there is no way they can fight with "The Commercialization of Childhood" which can only be addressed by… regulations, which will come only if parents ask for it, and only if they care to be educated about it.

Perhaps it's because I'm aging I feel I don't have time to spend on very very long term projects. Most probably though it's because I fear climate change is the uppermost important issue and urgently needs to be addressed asap by everyone, or there might not be enough left for any long term project, Utopian or not, to take place. When one fears fear enough, he dismisses it,
runs to whatever makes him/her forget it, money, alcohol, beliefs of any kind or any other more or less compulsive behavior.

Rationality alone can't address those issues, we all need some sort of comforting behavior, be it getting addicted on Cosmology ;^)

Jack, I didn't mean you are dumb (or doomed) by that. That is not the impression I get from you.

I say you are trapped in the box because as I start moving outside of the structure of society in my posts it is "utopian" or "paradise", in that somehow it can never happen and is rediculous.

I say people are trapped in the box who believe that all else other than the current way our society is built up is silly, impossible, scifi, utopian etc. it is always disregarded, as is the Project as a "group" or "cult" with zealous followers that has seen the light!

No, at least that's not how I see it. I've felt what I feel about our society long before I knew the Project existed. Someone told me about zeitgeist and through "Addendum", I found out about Venus Project. I could care less about zeitgeists first movie about conspiracies and such nonsense, or the "elite" or the bankers who wants to take over the world. I don't care for that, though it would not suprise me if it were to be true. Either way change is needed.

I "follow" if you wish, the Venus Project because I agree with their philosophy, or else I would not "follow" them. I was glad to find that there are actually people that believed like I did.

They needed not persuade me into anything, for I already thought like they did.

It is indeed easy for someone to say society today is mad. That's because the madness is apparent everywhere, always, at any time.

The way you describe fear in us, I think of mindless masses with no will of their own, dumbed down and calmed when handed a green napkin.

I fundamentally disagree that it is evolution, but rather a symptom of society. Humans are more complex than what you describe.

If Venus sounds like such a paradise, is it not something to at least strive for?

Why is it that when we know for a fact, for example that fusion power can give us all free unlimited power, why is it not our top priority? I just don't understand this. I do understand what hinders it, but how can it not be reason enough to change?

When we KNOW that so much could be better, we KNOW our problems, yet still think "it will always be like this". I cannot for the life of me understand.

It is complicated, but it doesn't have to be. That's all in our heads.

What I'm saying is that if we were all taught/taught from birth about logic, reason and the scientific ways there would be no NEED for regulations or controlling measures whatsoever.

I want to point out that yes, most of what I said is indeed wishful thinking. I would however give my life to make our species unite, live in understanding of eachother and science, in harmony with nature. I really believe in this.

I whole-heartedly hate to admit it, it probably won't happen. It makes me sad just saying it. I am so disgusted my our world today.

You are right about the danger to us regarding our environment, and I am completely certain we will never adress this approriately unless we fundamentally change our ways.

There is much you don't understand about the Venus philosophy. If I could speak to you face to face (just thinking out loud here) then perhaps I could make you understand what it really is about.

I emphasize understand, not convince or "convert".

Please check out thevenusproject.com and read through it all, if you find the time and interest to do so.

There is more I would like to explain but I was never good at expressing myself clearly through this medium as I hinted above. Now I am tired and must head off.

Be well, Jack.

Sean, seems you know very little about my ole friend Albert.
You say :"Einstein didn't know how to tie his own shoes because it was more practical to wear slip-ons, so what's your point really…"

It's only in his old age that Professor Einstein wore slippers. He knew very well how to tie his shoes, he even knew how to ride a bicycle if anyone cares. Who really knows, perhaps it was when he tied his own shoes that he began subconsciously suspecting that space/time could twisted.

Be very careful with that kind of "wronged perception" on which you build your own reasoning and arguments ; the ground on which you build this one is quite umm… "marshy".

Have a nice day, relatively speaking of course ;^)

I like what you're saying :)

Huh? How come you need a Holy army then?

For sure, someone is lying to us eh. Unless… you suffer from the multiple personality syndrome…?

Thank you very much Will.

Honesty/integrity is a cultural value first learned from my dad, which he highly praised despite and because he himself was raised in a family where hypocrisy rampaged like vermin.

As for "my theories" I learned most of them through books and… scientifically based documentaries :)

As I said, all I do is repeat what I learned, perhaps adding some "flavors", but "NO SUGAR".

Thanks again for your positive feedback, I tend to be "socially insecure" lately.

Keep on thinking, and have a very nice day, I Will ;^)

I am very glad i took the time to watch it ( all 4 hours straight :P )

Some things are nothing more then the truth where other claims are exaggerated.

To keep it short, ( i am not much of a speaker ) i think the basis of this doc is simple reality and i do not expect our system to run for much longer.
This can be debatable but the future will continue in it's yet unknown path regardless.

The only fear i have is the not knowing in what future world i will put my kids if i get any.

1 more thing i do like to get of my chest tho. I see a lot of debate about groups using fear as a trigger for people to join them.
In my opinion, groups do not have much of a choice at the "will we or will we not use fear" question.

As the documentary nicely stated, every group wishes to keep there existence.
Yes fear is used everywhere but that does not say anything about what they are fighting for. It is simply a method to bring people about that would otherwise not listen anymore.

As a closing note, special respect to Sean, Jack and Sikkan for bringing up such a good discussion!!

With regards,

Jim

Zeitgeist is Propoganda! I hate to break it to you but that IS the truth. All you need is half a brain to know that most of the 'evidence' that they supply is complete nonsense. It is as simple as them playing word games and being manipulative.
Having said that I do find it difficult to beleive everything that we are told concerning 9/11

greetings all,
i liked the movie but it does seem kind of force fed . he is eager to convince the viewer and uses very obvious tools of inducing shock value.I realy find it hard to swallow the 'economic cconspiracy of the world" but maybe it might be true. i give full credit to the film maker for attempting such a controversial topic.abt the religion part, I would like to share some knowledge of hinduism which im sure no one has encounterd. all the myths and godly charachters in hindu mythology have been explained for their true meaning in the vedas(holy hindu text).it gives a scientific explanation of god. shiva,krishna etc refer to a higher state of conciousness, not real people who performed miracles.Hinduism agrees with newton,about energy being constant,and its nature in various forms. the vedas say that one day science will discover the vedas. it is this energy that we call god, christ, allah. and it is this energy which is in us in large amounts.I am not propogating anything just want to clear the facts about hinduism ,which i observe are consistently misinterpreted.
and this is my humble plea to all those who seek the divine. do u really need a huge building with a thousand burning candles and chants and myths and rules to convince urself of the presence of god??? look within and u wil find all the answers , the self is the universe the paramatman the omnipresent, i loved all the discussions below, my love and wishes to all of u.
shanti

I hope this is not true… but if so, what can I do?

Yea…just the message here..I am a slave and I cant see it.

I hope this is not true

In your heart, the center of your chest, you have allways felt it. You knew something just didn't FEEL right, it did not make sence. This is what Zeitgeist addressed. You can take some time to examine the history and draw some logical conclusions or continue to live in your safe world of denial!

like he/she says check the facts. Especially on the religion part of the first portion of the movie. Myself and a friend of mine had to take a religion class in school (required) and had to do a 8 page report on the topic of our choice. We were both inspired by this move only to find that the similarities between jesus and mithra were false but also the comparisons between jesus and the constallations of the zodiac were also false. see these books for more details. Don’t get me wrong BOTH OF US ARE ATHEISTS.

Carpenter, Edward. Pagan & Chritian Creeds: their origin and meaning. University of Virginia Libraray, 1998.

Snodgrass, Mary Ellen. Signs of the Zodiac: a reference guide to historical, mythological, and cultural associations. Greenwood Press, 1997.

Burgess, J.H. The Christian Pagan. Mimir, 1969.

Doane, Thomas. Bible Myths and Their Parallels in other Religions. University books, 1971.

Miller, Robert J. The Complete Gospels. Polebridge Press., 1992.

Hahaha “…Mary kept her pants up in a town of whores” that line made my day! Golden Sean! Absolutely golden! I love it.

It’s fascinating to watch how many people will spend energy posting and arguing over a documentary yet won’t spend that same energy arguing to see that their politicians are held accountable- working or posting to pull out their troops from afghanistan, working or posting to see that their children are well educated, working to see that their rights are not taken away. Unbelievable, dumbt

Many of the responses would seem to prove some of the documentary’s points to be correct.

Loved the documentary.

thankyou.

A lot of the facts you’ll find in this movie are false. Not “roughly” true, not “weirdly interpreted” nor anything like that. Just plain false. As simply as that.
It amazes me how a movie supposed to reveal the so-called truth can contain so many lies. And I hope there are not too many people believing all this.