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    • Zeitgeist

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      I rarely put conspiracy documentaries on this website, but this is one I wanted to post for a long time. Check all the facts (some of them might not be facts at all), decide for yourself and feel free to put your comments below.

      Zeitgeist is an extremely controversial documentary split into three parts, first producing information discrediting Christianity through showing the similarities of ancient religions. Part 2 describes the problems with what was told to us about the events surrounding 9/11. The third part deals with banking institutions and how a conspiring group of international bankers exploit their power in monetary policy to control the world.

      A documentary that shows different types of conspiracy theories about Jesus Christ to the attacks on 9/11. This film raised a lot of controversies and was accused of inconsistencies. Written, produced and directed by Peter Joseph.

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      Published on October 5, 2009 · Filed under: Mystery, Conspiracy

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    • mindsmoke

      I can't believe you actually put this one up on your website. so disappointed

    • Documentary Log

      Come on, there's nothing wrong with a little controversy from time to time. :)

    • MiscOne

      Very surprised and glad to see this here.

    • Daniel

      Real good post, I how ever don't, like zeitgeist addendum.

    • mindsmoke

      if you wanna upload conspiracy docs, that's fine but at least put decent ones. there's so much BS in zeitgeist. and peter joseph, the guy who made zeitgeist is a Jesuit agent

    • Chad.

      I can't believe people would complain that you posted this (very popular) documentary. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Their are plenty more on the site. You really can't please everyone.

    • Documentary Log

      Please do share any conspiracy videos you think are worth having here.

      Everybody can suggest videos via "suggest a video" at the top.

    • Jack Kebek

      If I would have been half the age I now have, I would of watched it and, who knows, I might have joined them in their beliefs… for some time.

      Overtime though, I found that spreading paranoïa, lies or/and fabulations is not serving society in any way ; all it does is give them more motivation to make up more fabulations and do more money while taking us away from whatever else we might be doing.

      The fact is, if you post it, you're supporting it : even if you don't think you are, they do!

      Controversy for the sake of contreversy is, to me, one lousy way to lose time.

      Mind you, these are "my current" opinions…

    • optimus prime

      zeitgeist is hardly a conspiracy theory video. for the most part its just facts (except for the whole 9/11 part which is mostly speculation based on lack of facts)

      and zeitgeist addendum is a must see especially in the current economic climate.

      seems to me like any video that goes against the status quo is labeled as a conspiracy theory and anyone who watches them is labeled a nut. it's just silly in my opinion.

      anyways thanks for posting this. great movies

    • William Ward

      This documentary is probably the most important one to watch. I am glad to see it on this site.

    • Alen

      Don't listen to them. I think it's a very good post. Funny how people always say , they are conspiracy theories and that instantly makes it a piece of junk i.e not worth to watch. I ask you to go on to dictionary.com and READ and GRASP what Conspiracy actually means. To all those who say it's lies, I say prove it.

    • Jack Kebek

      Actually, so many thing can't be "proven". Perhaps R. Dawkins is telling the truth when he says there's a Teapot orbiting earth that speaks to him. There is no way it can be "unproven". Of course, it's a joke, but it's also an example.

      What I don't like much about "conspiracy" theories and such, is, as I stated, I just don't like em anymore. Take away 20 some years or more, and I would probably fight to have em posted. I've watched many, learned too little, and mostly, I got bored of the usual thick coat of paranoïa. I hat fear spreaders because fear makes logic and reason disappear in less than an instant.

      This being said, I certainly agree : perhaps I've (or it was?) labelled too fast. That "could" be proven… only if I watch it.

      Thank's ya all for replying

    • Harry Bentley

      Well, I don't know who peter joseph is, but whoever made this documentary is no "Jesus nut". And Mr Kebek, it has nothing to do with age. The documentary does not spread "paranoïa, lies or/and fabulations". It is a viewpoint (a fair one at that). If you feel it is spreading "paranoïa, lies or/and fabulations", this reveals more about your own state of affairs. Experience and wisdom through age should teach one to listen…… But your last comment "Mind you, these are "my current" opinions…" shows that you are aware of that (-:
      A huge change is taking place regardless of our views. This cannot be denied. Change is everything. Fear is stagnation. Have no fear! And keep changing. There is no one truth except Love!

    • optimus prime

      i guess ignorance is bliss eh jack….
      i prefer dissent to apathy

    • Jack Kebek

      Hurray!!!
      I just watched Zeitgeist, and except for a few details I always forget anyway : names, dates and a few "possible or twisted facts" (wich I have no chance of prooving or not), I learned little I didn't know or had similar hypothesis about : the global imperialistic bank system for one, doesn't that become kind of self evident over time?

      By the way, it seems income tax is also unconstitionnal (no laws on it's principle) here in Canada : what an odd coïncidence.

      And yes, I felt it was using a sizeable amount of fear to spread the news, and yes we were called ignorants once again ; not surprisingly, ignorance is the vastest of all territories, it might even be larger than our Universe for all I know.

      However, I must agree : most of us respond rather swiftly when faced to fear, it's a prooven working strategy to get people moving in one direction, or to send em shivering in their closets : that, we can all agree on.

      I don't know how some of you came to beleive I was living in "bliss ignorance"
      (Q^Q) : all I said is that I was bored of that style when people present smelly facts, putrefying ideas, slimy hypothesis, and no solutions…

      I hope that the "addendum" has some ideas on how to get out of this mess. Stirring the sh… err stuff for the sake of stirring it makes it only smellier, that's all!

      Thank you's again – long live documentary-log.com

    • jesus

      i have paid for your debt

    • Heidi

      Jack… you say you hate conspiracy's because they instill fear… yet I found this enlightening. I was afraid, yes, afraid of what our world quite possible IS… but enlightened that I have a glimpse of this darker side. a chance to understand it better… and to somehow change it. not on a large scale of course, but little by little, change the way i live and perhaps oneday that will rub off onto others…

      so i say thanks Zeitgeist.. the fear you gave me enlightened me. ironic isn't it… works much like religion! ah, the power of belief and propaganda ;)

    • Sikkan

      I don't care much for the first part, but Addendum is great.

      Thank you for uploading it. =)

    • john johnson

      don't get me wrong, i would be the first to feel excitement over any new findings that blow the top off of traditional christianity. but all the evidence presented here that showcases the similarities between jesus and more ancient gods is quite tenuous. like if you go to wikipedia and type in "horus" or "attis" it doesn't say a damn thing about them being born on the 25th, being born to virgins, etc. All the info used in this documentary that compares jesus to other gods probably came from a book that stretches the facts in order to create the idea of a conspiracy. i was dissapointed with that.

    • Harry Bentley

      Its all good Jack!
      You are helping to generate discussion and interest. Getting others to contribute. That's where the treasure is. One can argue about the content of the documentary, but we can all agree that the exchange it produces is fruitful, regardless.
      All the best!

    • allisson

      Thank you again for uploading this and other documentaries! I dont like this one, but its still somthing to watch. People who watched this should wat religulous…..er or not. Ha. No they should.

    • allisson

      ok i liked addendum. that was pretty much the tits. Hooray!

    • optimus prime

      dear jack johnson, study some Egyptian mythology outside of wikipedia (which usually isnt the best source of information). the facts arent stretched, the only sketchy thing they do in the first part of the documentary is the whole deal with comparing the hebrew word for son with the english word for sun.

    • Jack Kebek

      Ow! this post is long, but, it's gotta be said. Mind you, I watched a little more than half of Addendum. When they got to their technocratic lala-land, I was sickened enough.

      Well yes… what they say in Addendum is much more ummm… solid. The way they demonstrate how money is created through debt is quite the real thing (according to
      what I learned or remember from my ecomics classes). Still, it's no more than a peep show on economics : it shows only a "very dirty side", as if we need to be more disgusted. Sigh… Of course we need to know about the yucky/stinky sides, as well as all the other sides though, or, our judgement will be flawed from the beginning.

      When a crountry, a state, or whatever social organisation, even a family, is established, it needs roads, communications, education, water distribution, parliament, justice system and at least a ton of other things. Who would live in a unorganised/unprotected city or state and pay taxes (and with what money??? duh) for 25 years or so till you get all of that very much essential "infrastructure"?
      Before, many cities and empires grew by destroying others infrastructures and returning back home with the stolen goods, gold, and perhaps, a piece of knowledge.
      In those imperialistic countries, stopping the war waging activity would actually "hurt their economy" (sounds familiar eh!) only because war waging is too big a part of that nations economic activity.

      The most fascinating thing about economy is how it's trust dependant. Lower the level of trust (easily done using fear, fraude, guilt, deception…) and the economy plummets, perhaps resulting in something like the 1930's depression. So, economics is a topic that needs to be handled with great care, or else, it could have the effects of a weapon of mass destruction since all the infrastructure would soon be as useless as if destroyed, and society could then collapse into chaos.

      So, Zeitgeist and it's Addendum could be perceived as a weapon made by Econo-terrorists, perhaps they too are plotting something? Plenty would like to see the American and/or Occidental (I'm trying to explain it, not to defend it) economy plummet for whatever believed to be logical reason.

      The major problem with the current monetary system and it's "symptomatic corruption" is, again in my view, the lack of regulation and the "current" culture. Why is it some countries have much less corruption? Culture : cultural ethics and laws! We need to promote "rightfullism" and equity.

      Planet Earth has the resources (food making capacity, energy, infrastructure materials and such) to maintain about 600 million of us occidentals in our current lifestyle, or,
      it can maintain about 30 billion inhabitants living with the lifestyle found in Bangladesh ; and that's disreagarding all of what is needed for what's left of Nature!!!
      I think one of the roots to this huge problem is how we value ourselvs : it's soooo much easier to value ourselvs with having rather than being

      Now, if you read this lonnnng post, you understand why I don't like the Conspiracy type of point of vue. It's almost always very narrow minded and biased by necessity, so, it has to be held together by some amount of fear otherwise known as "lack of knowledge" or abuse of it.

      Nevertheless, Addendum has some very good points, like when they compare the money spent on fighting terrorism versus the actual "real danger" associated with it,
      compared to the "real risks" of obesity and the comperativly minute amount spent to protect us from it. That information is found elsewhere though, no need for Zeitgest to learn about it. But, if this is where you first heard it, that's fine by me.

      On a last totally unrelated note, did you know about 100 Americans a year die from chocking after accidentally swallowing a Hi-Liter pencil cap? And most often, the
      swallowed cap is "pink". There just might be a "Pink Cap Conspiracy" eh!

      Merci beaucoup :-)

      P.S. I dunno much about Egyptian mythology, but I watched a documentary wich compares, through discussions, beliefs of Hinduism to those of Christianity. There are quite a few similarities between those two.

      P.P.S Try to stop using your credit cards and pay cash even if you need to set dough aside bit by bit. While saving up, go read a borrowed book (hopefully one written after 1905) and return it without any intere$t, but with a bright enlightened smile on your face.

    • Adrian

      so…what are we gonna do now… i mean…uhh…we have to do someting coz it suxx like this…i guess ignorance is also a big problem…

    • ZeitgeistGO

      After watching both documentaries i joined the Movement. That´s how good they are in my opinion. Many thanks for sharing Zeitgeist and many other excellent docs on the site. cheers

    • hahaha

      zeitgeistgo: maybe you should take an economics class and learn the real thing. this guy knows shit about how the world works, it's his stupid simplfied version which is riddles with lies and mis-understandings about economics and the money system in the US. it's not even entertaining fiction because it's so ignorantly wrong. it's like hearing a grown-up voice with 4th grader thoughts.

    • ascott

      I came in watching this movie with an open mind
      I suspect and have confirmed on several brief objective fact checks that this film is misrepresenting some facts
      there is enough wrong with the current paradigm without embellishment
      people who blindly follow this movie without checking the facts are no more open-minded than the apes that perpetuate these unnecessary problems with society

    • Jack Kebek

      ZeitgeistGO's post looks a lot like a form "cheap publicity". (Hummm… checking…!)

      A hint? Google comes up with 94 hits when searching "ZeitgeistGO", almost all of them prior to his post here.
      ZeitgeistGO AWAY! You're a fraud!

    • ZeitgeistGO

      saw it 5 months ago and downloaded it from e-mule.have watched many other docs on this site. got glad to see this one here and decided to say thankx. True, didnt saw the doc on this site.
      ps. i work as an artist and really dont give a S*** about economics
      stay happy ;)

    • Jack Kebek

      Thank you for clearing that out.
      > Keep on creating :) I love art!

      Even though Economics seems like the new "Religion" everyone blindly runs around to obey to, it's nevertheless just another "creation" of mankind — a thing that self evolved, just like Art.

      This being said, if one is going to criticize anything :
      shouldn't one first learn about it? shouldn't one refrain from yelling out distorted facts?
      shouldn't one not lie, even if only to himself?
      And lastly, what's an artist going to do in a world where "technology" is the answer to everything? Take a pill, have a shot or wear a "Creativity inducing cap" and be creative for a while?

    • Lynne

      Wow! Unfortunately – one can't deny the underlying truth of this documentary. The quotes cited can't be denied. The irony of situations, can't be denied. It is happening. Fear – fear of this happening in front of our face causes us to dismiss to put up a wall to the truth. Yet – the greatest thing is when we KNOW the truth and then we can say enough and gather together to live from a much better place. Wake-up over used but still necessary.

    • Sextus

      Too bad you live in a dreamworld. None of the information in the Zeitgeist "documentary" is true in any way. Zeitgeist is simply more conspiracy mumbo-jumbo. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans in it's so-called "truth".

    • Sextus

      You're making some sense, unlike the rest of these bozos.

    • Marlow

      Tim, thank YOU for this amazing website!

      LYNNE, you hit the nail on the head. Peter Joseph uses a creative method called "Artivism" (Google that, JK :-), to convey his message visually for impact/shock value. Whether the lead-up is fact or fiction, it will be scrutinized and interpreted based on individual beliefs. However the "Big Picture", in my opinion, is undeniable. Personally, I commend anyone who has vision, passion and dedication to take on such an endeavor, such as the Venus Project – and what a blueprint Jacques Fresco will be leaving behind (again, a positive solution to the Big Picture). If you're not convinced, fine. If it struck a chord, then visit: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com website.

      At the end of the day, there's no harm in broadening one's horizons. Making an appetizer out of someone's dreams and accomplishments, without actual Constructive Criticism, shouldn't be recycled. That's toxic waste.

    • Barlow

      Joseph's message is rubbish. He's nothing but a dirty liar and cheap salesman.

      He can go fuck himself as can you.

      Your idiotic ideas about life are erroneous.

    • Spiff

      How about some reasoning behind that, Barlow? or most anyone else? How about a paragraph or two on WHY he's a dirty liar and cheap salesman. Simply stating that he is does absolutely nothing to sway people's opinions. it just makes you look ignorant and opinionated.

      Suggestions – post a link to a site debunking it, or suggest a book that will counter the arguments, or anything else along those lines. We're watching these to learn and to think critically about the world, no? Dont waste everyone's time.

    • Sean Caceres

      Oh! this is going to be goood!

      First things first. I am betting that most of the illogical retorts are from silver-spooned crybabies,freon huffing compulsive masturbaters who cried when were forced to go to sunday school and cried even more when they found out Santa wasn't real. And for something totally non-related, doesn't Santa weirdly enough spell Satan, who carries a bottomless bag of toys, flew to every child in the world in 12 hours or less, and wears red all the time..now, like peter said in the film on Jesus Christ. There are not enough differences and too many similarities between Jesus Christ and the ummphteen other deities known to man that lived a century or more before Jesus Christ. All of this is verified through books. I must also psychologically relate most of these insubstantial remarks to Peters movie to pubescent teens or retarded men who are breaking from their 360 Gears of War tournament to add such infantile remarks. I am betting that whoever really believes Peters view is utterly wrong probably has a dad who has a NRA sticker on the back of his pickup, spits chaw frequently out of a duct taped window and drinks Natty Ice and votes for Geoerge Bush..I'm also guessing you don't believe that the BUSH family didn't directly benefit from any transactions involving Petroleum within and after there reign. I mean what do you really have to refute other than your own belief system to refute anything he has to say? Furthermore, have you really gone through your life without changing your belief system at all? Do you really believe a dude with horns, engulfed in flames is going to enslave you for eternity? get real. Your so-called god doesn't have a shred of proof to his life as a savior to mankind anymore then Mary kept her pants up in a town of whores.As a matter of fact, where is he now? He was a one hit wonder like Milli Vanilli. Like I'm supposed to believe that a Virgin, not a Hermaphrodite actually gave birth to a man who would later die to wash the blood from evryone elses hands. Sounds like a Santa Clause story to me.
      So what I would really like to know is, what economics class are you taking? How has this suppo-zed greatest nation among nations gone through 3 if not more recessions in the span of 110 yrs if the ECONOMICS of peter is not right? whatya say? I can't hear you? That's what I thought. Stop huffing freon and dive into some books. If you are a son or daughter who believes all the dumb-ass stories that your drunk dad talks about with his drunk compadres and truly believe he makes alot of sense, you are just another one of the handful of American Idiots that will work so hard and never see anything to come from it, So back of the bitch, only the manipulative, wealthy, forked tongue backstabbing, twats you call your leaders are allowed in the front. I'm sure to get a more positive response I should of sugar coated it, but thats not my style. My advice before infantile, sharp-mouth-shooters should do is go out and and experience the world, listen to the people because their saying the same thing everywhere, bounce from job to job, watch ass-kissers all coalesce at the rings of their bosses Anus, watch good people lose their job, watch the same group of jocks and loners talk about each other, watch girls screw their bosses for money or position, watch people unqualified to rate your job capacity climb up the corporate ladder etc. The point is, is to get out there and experience life before deciding you have some astute opinion about this world when life hasn't had the chance to shape your mind about what's really is happening. I have more from where all that came from..P-out for now

    • sheikyerbouti

      I agree that there is alot of very loose facts and speculation throughout Zeitgeist, but the fact remains religion borrows from other religions. Check out another doc on this site called ' the hidden story of jesus' The producer travels the world talking to members of different faiths and its clear there are very real similarities. So Peter Joseph isnt that far off base regarding religion.

    • Sean Caceres

      for the record, I meant to say whoever does not really believe Peter's view…I am advocating for Zeitgeist. I agree fully with this view…Sean

    • wow

      Sean did you pass at least high school?

    • tigerass

      No need for personal attacks "wow", I disagree with him too, but attacking him doesn't accomplish anything does it?

    • eli

      you know, it's crazy how many people comment on this site now…and such anger! let's leave the childish behavior at youtube…this is a place to learn and feed your muse.

    • Young Teen Pussy

      Hey, Sean – learn how to proper format paragraphs.

    • Barlow

      It's obvious that Joseph is full of it. If you can't see it, then I can't help you.

      If you are stupid enough to fall for his crap, then you deserve to believe it.

    • http://www.tedseay.com Ted Kelly

      I agree. Childish behavior has no place here. This is not YouTube. The intelligent content here dictates intelligent comments. You can watch these videos and join the conversation at YouTube or Google and yell scream at the moon all you want.

    • Sean Caceres

      Hmmm…let's see here. Yes, to the, did I graduate high school ?…which is a question worthy of asking a McDonalds applicant who has Down Syndrome.

      To the ?, do I know how to properly format a paragraph, yes, but why should it matter? Einstein didn't know how to tie his own shoes because it was more practical to wear slip-ons, so what's your point really…I mean as long as you know how to read then then format doesn't matter. Meeeaaninng, if you must have a Associates Degree in Language Arts to comprehend the text I'm flinging at you then you probably should crawl back into your cubby hole and and still believe that Santa Clause really exists and our gov't (had to abbreviate because IT's too long of a word) does't send C.I.A. (another succession of words I am just to dumb to spell) operatives to stage coup de tat's to back selfish political agenda's. Human beings will never truly find their own identity or there own emotional independence as long as the people who own banks that print 2.5 in. x 8 in. piece of paper that has the immaculate power to propagate or extinguish a persons life on a whim. I do not engage in childish behavior, (to whatever numbskull decided to assault me with that one?) I believe this world (ironing out very few kinks) would co-exist to a maximum efficiency without money period. And there isn't any explanation logical or illogical that could stand alone against the idea. You, the opposition in this case, would try and berate, ridicule and label me as a man who lives in a fantasy world, because and only because your very own personality and people like you depend so heavily the value of money it has been woven into your Deoxyribonucleicacid. We as human shouldn't have to pay for lifes most precious material which is H2O..not money..we shouldn't have to pay for a home..we shouldn't have to pay for electric.. WE MAYBE, MAYBE only live to 85 yrs. old MAYBE. I don't and we I'm sure don't want to have to work until our body has been broken and we no longer have the ability to do the things I no longer have the health for. I don't want to have to make a choice to pay an overcharged medical bill or work another five yrs to be able to pay for a vacation. since this worlds inception. something seriously went wrong and whether you want to believe or not everyone will have to pay for it in the end. I don't have the time, room or patience to keep ranting, but anyone who still believes that their life's decisions doesn't effect one another truly has the qualifications to be thrown off this planet..because the rest of us DEEP THINKERS have nowhere left to go..

      And for the record, Natural Selection is a term used by Neo-Nazi conservatist to provoke the misuse of money to usurp the financially weaker class..

      The true definition of Natural Selection, which would entale(You)whoever you are, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green Blue, Indigo or Violet.
      If I were to want what you have and you are weaker, Well than I just kill you and assume the role as the now dead owner.

      Are you really not connecting the dots between the properly formatted paragraphs now!

      Money is the real problem, the misuse, misallocated, appropriated and delegated. And finally Since David Copperfield did not make an ocean liner disappear (all of you Santa lovers) than you cannot keep making money reappear on promissary notes and expect there to be no an ill effect on the accountability, espescially when they are more than likely (not proven), but more than likely making more promissary notes soley based on the interest their expecting from the original note. And yet noone has answered my ? as to why (WE) the greatest and most suppo-zed financially envied country on the planet has gone through 3 0r more (more here, is arguable) recessions? And could someone give me more than 2 sentences please? Thanx, Sean

    • Sean Caceres

      Well then you (like) me, should probably proof read your comment before hitting the enter key….Jaggoff….cause I'm sure you meant to spell properly, not proper..

    • Sean Caceres

      And to you Mr. Ted Kelly…Would you like to engage in an intelligent conversation, or are you a band-wagoneer and just appeal to the mindless masses? I'm mean, a response to such a long winded statement deserves more criticism than a paragraph. But then I guess if you live in a Bible-belted state, Bible beating your neighbors up and last but not least, Bible-thumping your guilt-racked brain against the wall because the "GooD BooK" doesn't really give you any proof what's so ever to the answers you really require.

    • Sean Caceres

      And that goes for anyone else…Why don't you check the box that says, "Notify me by E-mail when replied to my comment". That way we can have a face to face. Because none of you posted a comment on my view in particular, just the way it was spoken. Which leads me to believe your more emotional than logical and that you need help. It's OK to be retarded kids, little Korky was and he was still excepted, Radio and Rudy were exceptional human beings. (yes, ILMAO) Don't give up hope yet, God is waiting for you in the clouds. And his powers of levitation will save you when you can't handle anymore and decide to hurl your feeble little mind and body off some Atlantic North East or Pacific North West cliff…he will, he promised!!:)

    • Sean Caceres

      Damn, Damn, Damn. I think I opened my mouth before I was supposed to. Mr. Ted Kelly, I just reread your message. I am truly sorry if your comment was not aimed towards me, but if it was Cheers:)

    • kiop

      Sean I'll try my best. I hear where you are coming from and I think you would really like economics (I am assuming you haven't studied it in depth – THIS IS NOT TO MAKE FUN OF YOU! I can't stress that enough). Your questions are valid and you would be able to understand economics and business (not the same) cycles and why they happen and why industrized countries like the US not only use free-market policies but sometimes others (and there are a few).

      Central Banks are a key factor to a lot of your questions. But if you believe this film in how and why Central Banks manipulate the money supply then you are no better then the blind believers (of Santa) you make fun of. The monetary system of industrialized nations are complex and no one really has the correct answers, hence debates. You are right there is unjust in the system, lots of it. But this film doesn't approach it in the right way by making up mechanisms and telling it's viewers false statements about how economies (and Central Banks) systems function.

      I don't understand your understanding of actual paper money? Please explain more. In the film I know it was mentioned that wealth does not really exist because a very small fraction on the money in circulation in the world is actual printed but that's only because there aren't enough trees in the world to even meet the wealth of 5% of the US. Paper money is only worth anything if we all accept its value, and economics is the study of how to allocate limited resources. So there will always be issues yeah.

      I cold heartly do not agree with the films interpetation of the IMF and World Bank, whoever wrote this film has no idea why they even exist as far as I'm concerned.

      In closing I believe this film is a nice example of a new kind of Bible. Blindly believing in it is just as puzzling to me.

    • kiop

      One more thing Sean:

      Don't you think God is just messing with us when he picked hydrogen and oxygen (H2O), the two most flammable atomic elements, to combine to put out fire? :)

    • Sean Caceres

      True, There is a lot more for me to learn about the "ways" of an open or "free market", but the consequences are the same none-the-less. When character of a human being is transformed into an egotistical pirahna that forsakes the lives of others in order to "feel" that he/or she has the right to brag or boast, gloat to friends or that somehow he/or shes existence is has been touched by the hand of God and that they feel "blessed" for having such a tremendous amount of personal liberty or is just not humanitarian by nature and greed quells their thirst for exceptance is unacceptable, especially people unfit to be entrusted with inheritance. In the End it is all numbers on a line. One side of the line is extremely wide and the other side tapers until the size becomes infinitesimal. It's either us (I'm not going to bash any nation in particular) that eat 3x a day or an 8lb. 2 yr. that hasn't eaten once in 3 days. Their are more instances that could be discuss by far, but the point is to show the greed propagated by emotional dependence of MONEY…God, (for those that think he's there) the quest for equality(except those who feel they don't need it)fundamental and the innate comraderie or cohesion, fundamental common decency have all take the back seat to the Idea of Money. Due to the underlying domains of natured genetics, money cannot account for the total loss of ethical and moral value, it is just the multiplier. It seems in all actuality that money was actually the tool of the physically weak to conquer the brute ,albeit, pyscologically weak. Business is war, and if you want to survive then you must have the "get him" before "he gets" me attitude. The addage "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" will forever be the an innate quality of the delusional upper class, if I could call them that. Their behaviors, just now in this day and age are finally being brought front and center to be held accountable. I did understand prior to the upbringing though, of the percentage of actual "paper money" used versus the value of our binary and numerical system, but it is still an electronic Washington, Abraham Benjamin, and Jackson. Who knows what they'll be called (hopefully we will have evolvedmore to have any) on the starship enterprise..(only fitting). We know what a homicidal maniac is capable of, so we don't let him out on the street, (sometimes). We don't need to know what makes him do it, because he has already committed his nature. We know that his temperament isn't conducive to a functional return to society. So why is money still here? Because in a True socialistic where denizens do there part to keep the world moving in return to share the
      incessant imagination of the human being. Money is the perpetrator of the human social divide. This world is more Black and White than Gray. Gotta work now…

    • Sean Caceres

      And yes, I find it quite comical. Though not realated to any sort of religiosity.

      I do however disagree, in our capitalist country the demographics of economics is structurally identified to keep capitalism flowing in the never river of debt. Because it is widely known that the consumer is a " I want it now and not later breed", That is, until they read the fine line that their peripheral vision selectively decided not to see or forego because of their impulsive behavior. So supply (the credit card) and demand (these behaviors) also go hand in hand. If people waited to buy things they could afford to want, this world would be a much different place. More murders, more suicides blah, blah, blah. By nature we are unhappy to be content, we would not have a 3rd of what we have now if that were true. Hence, surveys, referrals, (quote on quote)" good deals", on sale, buy 1 get 1 free or half off. These are all part of systemic disease that money ellicits and mutates our self-value as well as the value of another human being. The wants of each human being is quickly becoming more than the "capital" can generate and in the future I just don't see the need for it. Using the numb3rs, there is prove of existence of life beyond our own. If it should be greater in intelligence than our own than we are in trouble using the tactics of capitalism rather than socialism, if not we have no use for them. In the short story of my perceptual/conceptual basis there is a complex range of childhood, religious, professional and educational philosophies that cause this dynamic tension to be strained to point of snapping. (not meaning I will go on a homocidal rampage), but more in the disgust that I feel that my countrymen and women just don't get it. The synopsis of American freedom is that if there is no money to be made then it's just not worth it, this country is on a downward spiral with special interest groups this and that, god and the devil, heaven and hell and the voracious appetite to appear better better than the person next to you…our forfathers although maniacal in their own way somehow understood that United We Stand..(Socialism) Divided We Fall) Capitalism…

    • Sean Caceres

      Damn, I hate typos. Here's the first and then the second etc….never (ending) river of debt. unhappy to be content, we would not have a 3rd of what we have now if that were (un)true. I guess that's all…Sean

    • Sean Caceres

      I will now stop being self-centered on my point of view and discuss yours. I definitely mispoke in saying anyone who thinks different is utterly wrong. My apologies.

      Your questions are valid and you would be able to understand economics and business (not the same) cycles.

      In this statement, sure they are not the same. But can they stand alone and produce more effective results than their whole? I can name a variety of circumstances starting with the 8 organ systems of the Human Body that depend on their symbiotic relationship.

      The monetary system of industrialized nations are complex and no one really has the correct answers.

      If this is true, why do we have such a definitive system with no definitive answers?
      is. Mathematics is a testament to as close to perfect, if not perfect that we'll ever see. We have evidence of that every day of our lives.

      money is only worth anything if we all accept its value, and economics is the study of how to allocate limited resources.

      Very true indeed, if we ALL except it's value and that is my understading of paper money, which is also E-money..which if I might add is 10x easier to forge,forget misallocate, abuse and dematerialize than the the conventional paper trail. So, when do we switch? It is an evolving idea no doubt. And not in our lifetime will we see it, which is a shame. Will the mechanics of making money when we switch from Paper to E-money or any other name for it…of course..

      and economics is the study of how to allocate limited resources.

      What are we limited in? Water? Natural Gas? Sea Turtles? Solar Energy? Hydrothermal and Dynamic Energy. The only limted resource we have is Humanitarianism. How many special interest groups have exploited that very definition for "government" funds.

      I cold heartly do not agree with the films interpetation of the IMF and World Bank, whoever wrote this film has no idea why they even exist as far as I'm concerned.

      I repect your view, I'm also glad you responded with intelligence. But studying the theory of the topics at hand as any theory, usually fall short of it's wonder in the experiment. It is always more beautiful on paper. And one's perception of the world regardless of god, science, politics, economics, medicine will have to stay malleable. Fixed ideas will no longer contribute to the race of tomorrow because science will make sure of it.

      Why wouldn't you believe the authors view? Every government in the world constructs their societies the way they see fit. The struggle for perceptual domination runs rampant, even today. But as the addage explains, "hit'em where it hurts". Money is the ultimate ball-gag for the freedom of expression, this is why so many (more than ever) I might add, is why movie stars and others have come out berating public officials at public meetings in defense of our worlds atrocities.

    • Sikkan

      It is sad that people are trapped in the box. Trapped in the frame of mind that society must have these ingredients: government, laws, money and police.

      It is sad that people believe crime, violence, poverty and hunger will always exist in some form and cannot be eliminated. This is true, but only in our current society structure, which no one will think outside of.

      It is sad that people cannot grasp what the Venus Project wants to achieve. They do not tell you how the future will be, but rather how it can be. It is not techocratic nor is it communistic. The Projects vision encompass all of humanity and what can be done to solve our problems, and the fact is our current society prohibits the best and most efficient solutions to those problems.

      When the question of cost is involved you must almost always sacrifice one or more of these things: quality, durability and efficiency.

      We have the resources to feed every starving human being on earth, we have the resources to build homes for every homeless person on earth, yet we do not. Why do you think that is?

      Our society structure is not the ultimate, end-all be-all way. You are brainwashed from birth to believe this.

      We as a species will never be truly free if we don't break the the chains that is societys narrow, restrictive and unchanging views of how things should be. Society itself hinders our progress so unimaginably compared to how it could be.

      We could have fusion power, the ultimate power source if perfected. Yet cost hinders this development and greedy oil companies of course do not want this, it would put them all out of buisness. For perfected fusion power would mean FREE, virtually unlimited power for all. I ask, how can it be this is not be (one of) humanitys top priority? This is beyond me.

      The fact is our society as a whole today is utterly unsustainable. It will at some point face complete collapse, of this I am certain. Unless we change, and that radically. We must embrace change not fear it.

      Instead of debating from our opinion and experiences, we must see it from a logical and scientific point of view. Today this is impossible to do when politics and profit are involved, or indeed when the whole of society is as it is.

      I fear the worst for the future of our species if we do not see the true flaws in our society.

    • Sean Caceres

      Kudos! Sikkan, Kudos!

    • Jack Kebek

      This is my own personal opinion. Please note I really don't want to fight with anyone.

      a) You might need to look at Wikipedia to see a more complete definition of Economics : it's a whole lot more than "resource management".

      b) About Earth having enough resources to feed all. There are enough resources on earth to feed and perhaps shelter 30 billion people living like they do in Bengladesh, or, 600 million Occidentals (Europeans and Americans alike). Do the math for 7 billion humans and watch your Big Macs vanish.

      c) This is without taking in account the deterioration of OUR environment. Cods have all but disappeared east of Canada. Despite cod fishing interdiction for years, the cod population isn't showing any sign of recovery. All over the world, less and less islanders and coastal inhabitants find enough fish to sustain them.

      d) I have to mention the disaster caused by clear cutting the trees all over north and south America. Trees happen to, very shortly put, clean the air and deliver oxygen.

      e) The world bee population is in such a decline, that farmers wonder how the hell pollination will occur in the near future. No pollination = no fruits! Tomatoes, beans and cucumbers are fruits by the way, they all need pollination since they grow from flowers.

      f) Because of the melting of ice caps, like Greenland and the South Pole, the seas are rising and many islands and coastal areas will be flooded in… well, much sooner than they've predicted only 5 years ago, not to mention what is likely to happen to "The Great Atlantic conveyor".

      I won't go on, but I could! Of course, I know what the cause of is : greed and lack of Education + lack of Education + lack of… You get the point eh : redistributing wealth is a cultural thing.

      I'd rather see bright people like you's working on rational solutions (like educating eh) instead of day dreaming of the day "Paradise will hit Earth". Perhaps, the "Venus Project" should consider building and moving to some sort of "Space Colony" asap because I have sincere doubts there will be any viable Earth by that time.
      You'll probably need money to do that! That's a conclusion, no pun intended.

      Thank you's

    • Sikkan

      Jack, the problem is that the only "rational" solution is to move away from our current society structure.

      If you believe that is somekind of utopian view then you are indeed trapped in the box.

      All of what you said is a cause of how our society operates. Even if we could educate everyone on earth, we will never progress so long as we continue to accept that this is the ultimate structure, and coming up with solutions within the frames of the current structure is no good because it is impossible to find any sustainable, efficient solutions that benefit all of us.

      This is why we need to forsake large parts of what most of us feel is normal and is something a society must have (like money).

      If we all somehow agree that we need to change fundamentally, it will be a long transition that will not be without problems, like with any drastic change.

      The Venus Project is not a utopia, it is not the ultimate society and it is not perfect. It is an idea that involve things none of us are used to and most meet this with fear and extreme skepticism.

      The Project does not have a static perfect idea that will always work. Society in a world where the Venus vision is adopted will still be an emergent and ever changing society like any other, if not more so.

      All social problems in existance has to do with upbringing and education. If we all were taught from birth to think critically, think with logic and apply the scientific model to problems then things like your point "b)" becomes moot.

      While I think my chances to convice you are slim if not zero, I nonetheless felt the need to reply in hopes of giving you a better insight of my train of thought regarding Venus and our society.

      I like this kind of discussions so, any and all input that you might have are welcome.

    • Jack Kebek

      Sikkan mon ami
      Back in time, I was faced with "something" that had me rethinking if Reality even existed… Before that "incident" (which
      really seemed predestined by all means), I had only a curiosity for Cosmology/Physics. Afterwards, it became an insatiable
      thirst for it's "Rational view on Reality" – which I fully agree to even if I lack some understanding of it. But the real question
      is : why?

      You say : "If you believe that is somekind of utopian view then you are indeed trapped in the box."
      This reply is so much like "If you don't believe you're doomed" (or dumb) : it smells a lot like propaganda : a well known
      self-curiosity deterrent. I must admit though, my "box" is quite comfy ;-) Mmmmm pain killers and a puter ; and so the
      "boxy wheel" turns.

      It's very easy for anyone to see our current society as deeply ill –if not absolutely mad. Even though I tend to fully agree to
      that, it's not the first time I see it used by groups with whatever intentions they might have.

      Why are "groups of beliefs" so successful? Because they (their leaders or advisers) know how deeply rooted fear is in
      us, so that's why they all work on that "soft spot". Marketers know
      that very well. Even our highly esteemed self-valuing process is fear driven. We are born with unrest because of that inherent fear. We are ha hum… "designed like that", but by Nature's laws of Evolution.

      In my perhaps simplistic view, no society, with whatever teaching they spread, is able to address that issue. Our current
      society works because money can ease that feeling to some extent, not to mention it greatly facilitates commerce. One problem with our society is the lack of regulation and… Education. Parents abdicate educating their kids because there is no way they can fight with "The Commercialization of Childhood" which can only be addressed by… regulations, which will come only if parents ask for it, and only if they care to be educated about it.

      Perhaps it's because I'm aging I feel I don't have time to spend on very very long term projects. Most probably though it's because I fear climate change is the uppermost important issue and urgently needs to be addressed asap by everyone, or there might not be enough left for any long term project, Utopian or not, to take place. When one fears fear enough, he dismisses it,
      runs to whatever makes him/her forget it, money, alcohol, beliefs of any kind or any other more or less compulsive behavior.

      Rationality alone can't address those issues, we all need some sort of comforting behavior, be it getting addicted on Cosmology ;^)

    • Jack Kebek

      Sorry all for mis-formating my previous post. It was copied/pasted from Notepad and ended up like this even though it looked ok in the comment box :(
      Dumb puters!!!

    • Sikkan

      Jack, I didn't mean you are dumb (or doomed) by that. That is not the impression I get from you.

      I say you are trapped in the box because as I start moving outside of the structure of society in my posts it is "utopian" or "paradise", in that somehow it can never happen and is rediculous.

      I say people are trapped in the box who believe that all else other than the current way our society is built up is silly, impossible, scifi, utopian etc. it is always disregarded, as is the Project as a "group" or "cult" with zealous followers that has seen the light!

      No, at least that's not how I see it. I've felt what I feel about our society long before I knew the Project existed. Someone told me about zeitgeist and through "Addendum", I found out about Venus Project. I could care less about zeitgeists first movie about conspiracies and such nonsense, or the "elite" or the bankers who wants to take over the world. I don't care for that, though it would not suprise me if it were to be true. Either way change is needed.

      I "follow" if you wish, the Venus Project because I agree with their philosophy, or else I would not "follow" them. I was glad to find that there are actually people that believed like I did.

      They needed not persuade me into anything, for I already thought like they did.

      It is indeed easy for someone to say society today is mad. That's because the madness is apparent everywhere, always, at any time.

      The way you describe fear in us, I think of mindless masses with no will of their own, dumbed down and calmed when handed a green napkin.

      I fundamentally disagree that it is evolution, but rather a symptom of society. Humans are more complex than what you describe.

      If Venus sounds like such a paradise, is it not something to at least strive for?

      Why is it that when we know for a fact, for example that fusion power can give us all free unlimited power, why is it not our top priority? I just don't understand this. I do understand what hinders it, but how can it not be reason enough to change?

      When we KNOW that so much could be better, we KNOW our problems, yet still think "it will always be like this". I cannot for the life of me understand.

      It is complicated, but it doesn't have to be. That's all in our heads.

      What I'm saying is that if we were all taught/taught from birth about logic, reason and the scientific ways there would be no NEED for regulations or controlling measures whatsoever.

      I want to point out that yes, most of what I said is indeed wishful thinking. I would however give my life to make our species unite, live in understanding of eachother and science, in harmony with nature. I really believe in this.

      I whole-heartedly hate to admit it, it probably won't happen. It makes me sad just saying it. I am so disgusted my our world today.

      You are right about the danger to us regarding our environment, and I am completely certain we will never adress this approriately unless we fundamentally change our ways.

      There is much you don't understand about the Venus philosophy. If I could speak to you face to face (just thinking out loud here) then perhaps I could make you understand what it really is about.

      I emphasize understand, not convince or "convert".

      Please check out thevenusproject.com and read through it all, if you find the time and interest to do so.

      There is more I would like to explain but I was never good at expressing myself clearly through this medium as I hinted above. Now I am tired and must head off.

      Be well, Jack.

    • Jack Kebek

      Please, try to invest some time in studying Human Nature, it reveals so much about our self's… and should not be neglected in any social project. In fact, I suggest a "planned society" should be built around Human Nature, but it's my own belief.

      As for Fear, I wasn't there, but many agree that this is one of the "motives" that "forced" the need for more complex neural systems to begin evolving in life's early stages. Fear enables all creatures to flee faster away from danger, or to react with anger. Anger is always fear induced! (You should never forget this.)

      It's the "Reptilian Brain" (primordial brain if you wish) which drives our reactions to fear. The brain evolved by somewhat layering on top of older structures, and this Reptilian Brain is deeply buried under the rest, cortex and all.

      Very shortly put, Fear is like the "trunk" from which more "evolved" feelings branched off. This is why everyone tries to "manipulate" us using some amount of fear : no one can avoid reacting to it. Marketers know that very well!

      Anxiety is the fear engine "rumbling" so to speak, and this is one reason why so many (kids included) need mood controlling medications in our ill society.

      Ya take care eh, and best of luck in whatever project you pursue.

      P.S. Thank you very much for your reply.

    • Jack Kebek

      Sean, seems you know very little about my ole friend Albert.
      You say :"Einstein didn't know how to tie his own shoes because it was more practical to wear slip-ons, so what's your point really…"

      It's only in his old age that Professor Einstein wore slippers. He knew very well how to tie his shoes, he even knew how to ride a bicycle if anyone cares. Who really knows, perhaps it was when he tied his own shoes that he began subconsciously suspecting that space/time could twisted.

      Be very careful with that kind of "wronged perception" on which you build your own reasoning and arguments ; the ground on which you build this one is quite umm… "marshy".

      Have a nice day, relatively speaking of course ;^)

    • jesus

      do not fight my children for i have returned

    • Pilar

      I like what you're saying :)

    • Jack Kebek

      Then…
      How come your churches still asks us for money???

    • Jack Kebek

      Huh? How come you need a Holy army then?

      For sure, someone is lying to us eh. Unless… you suffer from the multiple personality syndrome…?

    • Will

      Jack Kebek, I have just read all your posts. Your theories are the most honest and evolved of all. Thank you for the brain food, you've given me much to think about.

    • Jack Kebek

      Thank you very much Will.

      Honesty/integrity is a cultural value first learned from my dad, which he highly praised despite and because he himself was raised in a family where hypocrisy rampaged like vermin.

      As for "my theories" I learned most of them through books and… scientifically based documentaries :)

      As I said, all I do is repeat what I learned, perhaps adding some "flavors", but "NO SUGAR".

      Thanks again for your positive feedback, I tend to be "socially insecure" lately.

      Keep on thinking, and have a very nice day, I Will ;^)

    • Sean Caceres

      I'm guessing you would expect me to believe he also gave rise to "string theory also", eh?. And could you tell me why your good friend al only has pictures of himself riding his bicycle well beyond his 40's. I also believe it was his wife that spoke of inability to tie his own shoes, in fact I believe she stated that it was she who tied them for him. Is this not correct?

      As for my views being "marshy", your opinion is duely noted. I hardly ever get any good reviews, so get in line. I don't need corroboration. I do however believe you find my opinion unstable because of your inability to read the content between the lines. There is alot of material omitted to keep the version condensed, as I have a hard time being able to type as fast as I think what I want to say. Once again, as I stated before yours among others rebuttle to anything I have to say remains fruitless. Meaning there isn't any substantially logical arguement as to why my ideals are "marshy"..P-out Sean…

    • Jim R

      I am very glad i took the time to watch it ( all 4 hours straight :P )

      Some things are nothing more then the truth where other claims are exaggerated.

      To keep it short, ( i am not much of a speaker ) i think the basis of this doc is simple reality and i do not expect our system to run for much longer.
      This can be debatable but the future will continue in it's yet unknown path regardless.

      The only fear i have is the not knowing in what future world i will put my kids if i get any.

      1 more thing i do like to get of my chest tho. I see a lot of debate about groups using fear as a trigger for people to join them.
      In my opinion, groups do not have much of a choice at the "will we or will we not use fear" question.

      As the documentary nicely stated, every group wishes to keep there existence.
      Yes fear is used everywhere but that does not say anything about what they are fighting for. It is simply a method to bring people about that would otherwise not listen anymore.

      As a closing note, special respect to Sean, Jack and Sikkan for bringing up such a good discussion!!

      With regards,

      Jim

    • LAG

      Amazing Just pure Amazing!!!!! I am totally w/it I knew all this was truth and some I did not know but know I do…. Long live the TRUTH, And thank you my higher power/universe for giving us people like the bush's – their so obvious its ridicules:) I know see that we will overcome, for NWO seems desperate to me and we are educating our selves everyday know, and I'm not afraid anymore. Power 2 the higher american mind and love to all.. We got them beat already, they just don't know it……

    • Alec

      Zeitgeist is Propoganda! I hate to break it to you but that IS the truth. All you need is half a brain to know that most of the 'evidence' that they supply is complete nonsense. It is as simple as them playing word games and being manipulative.
      Having said that I do find it difficult to beleive everything that we are told concerning 9/11

    • Humbleman

      My respect and admiration go to those people behind this type of documentary – you are undoubtedly are heroes. When the truth is being told to you, your brain doesn’t needs much time to recognize what you are hearing is actually the truth, because the truth always make a complete sense – just like 1+1= 2.

      Much loves

    • rahul dorai

      greetings all,
      i liked the movie but it does seem kind of force fed . he is eager to convince the viewer and uses very obvious tools of inducing shock value.I realy find it hard to swallow the 'economic cconspiracy of the world" but maybe it might be true. i give full credit to the film maker for attempting such a controversial topic.abt the religion part, I would like to share some knowledge of hinduism which im sure no one has encounterd. all the myths and godly charachters in hindu mythology have been explained for their true meaning in the vedas(holy hindu text).it gives a scientific explanation of god. shiva,krishna etc refer to a higher state of conciousness, not real people who performed miracles.Hinduism agrees with newton,about energy being constant,and its nature in various forms. the vedas say that one day science will discover the vedas. it is this energy that we call god, christ, allah. and it is this energy which is in us in large amounts.I am not propogating anything just want to clear the facts about hinduism ,which i observe are consistently misinterpreted.
      and this is my humble plea to all those who seek the divine. do u really need a huge building with a thousand burning candles and chants and myths and rules to convince urself of the presence of god??? look within and u wil find all the answers , the self is the universe the paramatman the omnipresent, i loved all the discussions below, my love and wishes to all of u.
      shanti

    • ^ o ^

      Does that mean I can keep on sinning like all those vicars?

    • Draadkar

      I hope this is not true… but if so, what can I do?

      Yea…just the message here..I am a slave and I cant see it.

      I hope this is not true

    • Andrew

      wow really distroyed my ignorance… No Life kinda feels pointless :(

    • MICHAEL

      In your heart, the center of your chest, you have allways felt it. You knew something just didn't FEEL right, it did not make sence. This is what Zeitgeist addressed. You can take some time to examine the history and draw some logical conclusions or continue to live in your safe world of denial!

    • cbody70

      The collapse of building 7? mmmmmmmm…..

    • Jordan Camp

      like he/she says check the facts. Especially on the religion part of the first portion of the movie. Myself and a friend of mine had to take a religion class in school (required) and had to do a 8 page report on the topic of our choice. We were both inspired by this move only to find that the similarities between jesus and mithra were false but also the comparisons between jesus and the constallations of the zodiac were also false. see these books for more details. Don’t get me wrong BOTH OF US ARE ATHEISTS.

      Carpenter, Edward. Pagan & Chritian Creeds: their origin and meaning. University of Virginia Libraray, 1998.

      Snodgrass, Mary Ellen. Signs of the Zodiac: a reference guide to historical, mythological, and cultural associations. Greenwood Press, 1997.

      Burgess, J.H. The Christian Pagan. Mimir, 1969.

      Doane, Thomas. Bible Myths and Their Parallels in other Religions. University books, 1971.

      Miller, Robert J. The Complete Gospels. Polebridge Press., 1992.

    • Neil

      Just remember that the ominous music(like present in drama’s and horror movie)will hypnotize you and alter chemicals in your brain;especially with adverse imagery!So this is a form of entertainment and propaganda,although their is many good points…so much hyoe makes me skeptical!!!!???!!!!???

    • Chloe

      Hahaha “…Mary kept her pants up in a town of whores” that line made my day! Golden Sean! Absolutely golden! I love it.

    • ZZ

      Since I was a child, my mother has always told me “you have to grow up and make lots of money”. Now I’m trying hard to make money through my businesses. I’ve always felt a tinge of guilt for the environment when I operate business. Seeing the amount of packaging and waste that goes into producing, finishing and shipping items. But then if I don’t, I won’t be able to offer jobs for my employees, money for my family or time freedom for myself (as I don’t want to work for someone else til I’m 65).

      That said, part of me also feels that we live in such a materialistic society. I see the importance and value of money, but I just don’t see the importance or value of having “things” once our basic needs are covered. As a business woman, I know that getting my customers to buy is survival for my business. Marketing and pricing wars with competitors can also get pretty nasty. This is why the masses want to buy. It’s pure fabricated, insatiable desire created by corporations and businesses to sell “things” you don’t need to impress people you don’t like, to work in a job you hate to pay for them.

      While I believe that money is a good motivational tool to encourage people to achieve greater success, using money for the wrong reasons can also encourage greed and corruption. Sometimes I wonder if my family and partner will still accept me if I just provide them the basics and use my free time to do what I want… most probably my mother expects me to pay for her retirement.

    • Louise Fox

      It’s fascinating to watch how many people will spend energy posting and arguing over a documentary yet won’t spend that same energy arguing to see that their politicians are held accountable- working or posting to pull out their troops from afghanistan, working or posting to see that their children are well educated, working to see that their rights are not taken away. Unbelievable, dumbt

      Many of the responses would seem to prove some of the documentary’s points to be correct.

      Loved the documentary.

      thankyou.

    • jtl1985

      They didnt show counter points of view and thats wrong, but nontherless many facts of the problems we are facing inside society are absolutely true. I loved it

    • max

      A lot of the facts you’ll find in this movie are false. Not “roughly” true, not “weirdly interpreted” nor anything like that. Just plain false. As simply as that.
      It amazes me how a movie supposed to reveal the so-called truth can contain so many lies. And I hope there are not too many people believing all this.

      • Maxey

        You probably work for the government!

    • Azael

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    • Silichip

      Well sad Chad, I can’t believe that so many people are close mined here
      and this is a great documentary and a average rating score of 4.42 out of 5
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      It starts out on reasonable footing but soon becomes much too “pie in the sky”. I agree about the “Corpocracy” stuff, if that’s the right spelling, but it has so often been War and personal gain that have fueled Discovery and new Technology that to think a world without Ego and selfishness would be a world of progress is almost silly. That’s a thousand years away at best! Regardless, I’m glad it was shown on the site.

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    • Gregg Morgan

      If you know nothing about economics, social history, government, religion, the correct way to discuss “systems,” … and hell, let’s just throw in the nature of man, this was still a barely viewable documentary. Add to that the jury-rigged philosphy of constant change and oneness (very hippy) they threw together to try and bind their rambling and incoherent thesis together, I give more credit than is due and call it neo-Marxism, it was time spent I will never get back.

      If you paid attention, though, they were aware of the global tyranny they would need to install to begin their happy little social– heck, let’s just say Global– re-engineering project, destination oblivion, they were only barely able to keep from mentioning. They came close when they talked about divesting ourselves from religion and culture and convention– they came so lip-smacking close to using “abolish” and “outlaw” and “global governance.” Pick your hokey term. Does anyone hear “New World Order?”

      Accept for how exasperating their tired cliches and even more tired, and failed, attempts to repackage the same old socialist/anarchist melange, it was time better spent than shooting heroin. There it is….this documentary is a better use of time than doing heroin.